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Poverty and Trade I thought that I would respond to Duncan's open invitation on trade. I saw from the majority of the discussions, that there is a lot of analysis on the problem and how complex it is, ie what works and doesn't work. This was part of my work from the trade angle in my last post at DFID, where I was trying to work with the WTO and UNCTAD to design and deliver trade related capacity building projects that actually built effective capacity in developing countries. By this, I mean that a simple project in training people about the WTO system was not the way to channel effective capacity. One has to look at the negotiating process and what Africa for example, needs in order to use their primary export (agricultural goods) to make a difference for the poor. Sometimes people get the impression that African negotiators don't understand how the multilateral trading system works. This is very wrong. A couple of missions to Africa with DFID about 2 years ago dispelled that myth comprehensively, and even senior colleagues where left speechless by some of the questions raised at forums and by the very articulate arguments being thrown around at workshops. One problem however concerning the trading debate that the developing countries have is lack of capacity in numbers. Whereas the UK can send 10-20 people with a good understanding of the major issues at the meeting, the developing countries are unable to match that and hence their compliant of the 500 plus meeting held at the WTO annually - how can they cover 2 meetings on average a day with one or two people working in Geneva. Concerning the links of trade and poverty, this is still a very debatable topic. I recall that in previous discussions during my time at DFID, there was a strong possibility that the poor could gain from trade liberalisation. DFID acknowledge this but always stressed that the right mechanisms had to be in place. For example, building capacity at institutions and increasing valuable knowledge. This had to be coupled with efforts to try and influence policy in Geneva (WTO) and amongst other bilateral donors and trading partners. This was part of the work carried out by my former department, International Trade Department, at DFID, where my colleagues were working on intelligible ways of trying to raise the profile of CAP reform and where we worked with Simon Maxwell et al on the role of agricultural trade in development. I believe that this is what Duncan Green is doing at the moment. Some in the academia had acknowledged that people could loose both in the long and short run from trade liberalisation. However, developing countries want to know how trade liberalisation can help the poor in their country. We are all aware of how the developing countries have been pushed to liberalise their agricultural sector, whilst Europe (under CAP) has dragged its heels in practising what it preaches. However, perhaps and this was a suggestion I heard, that if developing countries liberalise their markets, then the appropriate ministry, usually the Ministries of Finance, should compensate for lower tariffs by taxing another sector of the economy (corporate tax or luxury goods) to make up the loss and transfer welfare gains to the poor - they shouldn't think that trade liberalisation would solve all the problems. I think it's too late for it to do so with the complex multilateral trading system now in place. The biggest obstacle to gaining from trade is sometimes country government themselves - we can use Europe and the CAP as an example if we assume that most EC countries want to reform CAP, but consensus has not been reached yet. There is clear evidence that there is a relationship between liberalisation and growth, but not necessarily with poverty. I am still sceptical about whether trade can lead to poverty reduction, because even if we assumed a level playing field, the producers in the developed countries are by far more organised and richer to still take advantage of developing country markets - witness an example where a US company flooded an LDC market with cheap frozen chicken resulting in the decapitation of the local market for fresh chicken which was run by women - I am sorry but I can't remember which African country it was, but it was in Eastern/southern Africa (Tanzania or Malawi). In the textbooks it might work, where every country concentrates on what it does best (comparative advantage model), but with modern technology the richer countries can produce goods that are not necessarily accustomed to their climate - hence we move towards a perverted absolute advantage model, where if rich country x cannot produce good y, it still dictates what price it will pay for y whether poor country xx likes it or not. If the poorer nations are to have half a chance then DFID should look at the mechanisms needed to help exporters gain from their product or produce. For example, the livestock industry in southern Africa (Namibia, Botswana and South Africa) exports billions of pounds in products yearly because they are exporting products. The money is in the product that reaches the supermarket shelf and not necessarily in the raw commodity. I read the comments on vanilla, a product I often buy, and wanted to relate this to the price of vanilla extract, which has not really changed for the last 3-4 years. I wait to see what happens next year when there is supposed to be a surplus. Research could be done in trying to understand the supply mechanisms in these countries. Furthermore, DFID should push for those countries who having gone through the process of satisfying Sanitary and Phytosanitary (SPS) measures and standards, should be facilitated to export their goods. This is an issue that will soon arise for livestock in Africa, as some countries have recently been declared free from rinderpest, a condition needed for trading livestock. There's more to say, but I think I have touched on a few areas of discussion and should stop now. Lameen Abdul-Malik This email message is intended only for the use of the named recipient. 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